rugal nuker · Nov 17, 2005, 05:38 AM // 05:38

Can anyone tell me? is it? are there other better builds for ranger beside spiking in pve?

Batou of Nine · Nov 17, 2005, 05:55 AM // 05:55

Barrage Spiking. Ele secondary. Use a "Conjure (Element)". Use barrage + Tigers Fury = Multiple target spiking!!

Grammar · Nov 17, 2005, 06:54 AM // 06:54

^^^ Has the AOE nerf affected Barrage I wonder.

Anyone know?

nightrunner · Nov 17, 2005, 07:14 AM // 07:14

No, it only affects constant AoE spells like Firestorm or Balthazar's Aura. Single hit AoE spells like Inferno don't make creatures run away.

And yes, there are many, many alternate builds for rangers besides Spike (which is still my favorite though). There are poison rangers, inturrupt rangers, trapping rangers, just to name a few.

And BTW, Spike Rangers aren't paticularly useful in PvE. The point of a spike is to take somebody down before they can be healed - and healing isn't much of an issue in PvE. Spike Rangers can be useful taking down bosses, but it's not worth it, you'd probably be better off investing in something with a little more long-term effectiveness.

RTSFirebat · Nov 17, 2005, 08:07 AM // 08:07

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Originally Posted by Batou of Nine

Barrage Spiking. Ele secondary. Use a "Conjure (Element)". Use barrage + Tigers Fury = Multiple target spiking!!

You sure about this? Tiger's Fury only increases your attack speed, not the recharge time of barrage, I think using Barrage + Serpent's Quickness is more ideal as Barrage would recharge faster. Tiger's Fury when used with a Half Moon fires normal shots the same speed as spamming Barrage.

MJ12trooper · Nov 17, 2005, 08:45 AM // 08:45

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Originally Posted by nightrunner

No, it only affects constant AoE spells like Firestorm or Balthazar's Aura. Single hit AoE spells like Inferno don't make creatures run away.

WRONG!

I USE FIREBALL OR METEOR THEY STILL RUN AND THOSE ARE SINGLE HIT AOE SPELLS

RTSFirebat · Nov 17, 2005, 01:38 PM // 13:38

No need for caps lock, it makes you look foolish.

In anycase single hit spells like Fireball will cause mobs to run IF it hits more then one at them at a time. It doesn't cause a single person to run.

Numa Pompilius · Nov 17, 2005, 01:43 PM // 13:43

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Originally Posted by RTSFirebat

single hit spells like Fireball will cause mobs to run IF it hits more then one at them at a time. It doesn't cause a single person to run.

I think it's more accurate to say that they MAY run. Most times they don't when you hit several with one-hit AoE, but occasionally they will. IME they run after about one hit in ten with one-shot AoE.

I don't know if I'm imagining things, but it seems to me some types of monsters are more likely to run from one-shot AoE - e.g. devourer-type monsters seem keen to run, while e.g. grawl hammer warriors almost never run, regardless what you hit them with.

I'd be interested in hearing if anyone else have the same impression.

FrogDevourer · Nov 17, 2005, 01:46 PM // 13:46

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Originally Posted by RTSFirebat

No need for caps lock, it makes you look foolish.

WHAT?! NO, IT MAKES YOU LOOK COOL, MAN!
Sorry, couldn't resist. Caps-locked posts make you look like foolish *and* deaf.

Anyway back on topic, there are lots of ranger builds for PvE: support, interrupter, barrage, trapper, and even tank (great vs. elemental dmg or with greater conflag). You can find many options in the build forums.

Former Ruling · Nov 17, 2005, 01:49 PM // 13:49

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Originally Posted by RTSFirebat

You sure about this? Tiger's Fury only increases your attack speed, not the recharge time of barrage, I think using Barrage + Serpent's Quickness is more ideal as Barrage would recharge faster. Tiger's Fury when used with a Half Moon fires normal shots the same speed as spamming Barrage.

Wow..someone hasn't looked at Barrage in the skill listing..

Barrage has a 1 second recharge. Under Tiger's Fury you might shot every 1.5-1.7 seconds..making the speeding up of barrages recharge useless since its already recharged by the time your ready to shot again anyway.

BTW - on another note - I've heard some people with /mo use Judge's insight to bump power of things like barrage (its an enchantment not a prep so isnt removed). Never tryed it - but it sounds pretty sound

Pevil Lihatuh · Nov 17, 2005, 02:44 PM // 14:44

lol yeah you dont have to worry about barrage recharging. by the time you've used it, its always recharged again (unless some pve monster gets in a lucky interupt that makes it take x seconds to recharge).

RTSFirebat · Nov 17, 2005, 03:02 PM // 15:02

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Originally Posted by Former Ruling

Wow..someone hasn't looked at Barrage in the skill listing..

Barrage has a 1 second recharge. Under Tiger's Fury you might shot every 1.5-1.7 seconds..making the speeding up of barrages recharge useless since its already recharged by the time your ready to shot again anyway.

BTW - on another note - I've heard some people with /mo use Judge's insight to bump power of things like barrage (its an enchantment not a prep so isnt removed). Never tryed it - but it sounds pretty sound

Wow... your sarscam is god like.

Well I know its a 1 second recharge, so going by that, there is no point to using tiger's Fury at all. Since it would give no benefit?

Mordakai · Nov 17, 2005, 03:08 PM // 15:08

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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

I think it's more accurate to say that they MAY run. Most times they don't when you hit several with one-hit AoE, but occasionally they will. IME they run after about one hit in ten with one-shot AoE.

I don't know if I'm imagining things, but it seems to me some types of monsters are more likely to run from one-shot AoE - e.g. devourer-type monsters seem keen to run, while e.g. grawl hammer warriors almost never run, regardless what you hit them with.

I'd be interested in hearing if anyone else have the same impression.

Grawl have some weird AI. Even before the update, if you can into a couple of Grawl near Ascalon, they would run to larger groups of Grawl.

I know Grawl don't run from Lava Font, not sure about Fireball (I think it's a chance %), they will still run from Fire Storm.

Nov 17, 2005, 05:38 AM // 05:38	#1
rugal nuker Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Sep 2005 Profession: E/Mo	Is ranger's spiking only improtant in PvP? Can anyone tell me? is it? are there other better builds for ranger beside spiking in pve?

Nov 17, 2005, 07:14 AM // 07:14	#4
nightrunner Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: San Francisco Profession: W/Mo	No, it only affects constant AoE spells like Firestorm or Balthazar's Aura. Single hit AoE spells like Inferno don't make creatures run away. And yes, there are many, many alternate builds for rangers besides Spike (which is still my favorite though). There are poison rangers, inturrupt rangers, trapping rangers, just to name a few. And BTW, Spike Rangers aren't paticularly useful in PvE. The point of a spike is to take somebody down before they can be healed - and healing isn't much of an issue in PvE. Spike Rangers can be useful taking down bosses, but it's not worth it, you'd probably be better off investing in something with a little more long-term effectiveness. Last edited by nightrunner; Nov 17, 2005 at 07:17 AM // 07:17..

Nov 17, 2005, 05:55 AM // 05:55	#2
Batou of Nine Desert Nomad Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: California, USA Guild: Angel Sharks [AS] (RiP [KaiZ] T__T") Profession: Mo/E	Barrage Spiking. Ele secondary. Use a "Conjure (Element)". Use barrage + Tigers Fury = Multiple target spiking!!

Nov 17, 2005, 06:54 AM // 06:54	#3
Grammar Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Aug 2005	^^^ Has the AOE nerf affected Barrage I wonder. Anyone know?

Nov 17, 2005, 01:38 PM // 13:38	#7
RTSFirebat The Humanoid Typhoon Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Guild: Servants of Fortuna [SoF] Profession: R/	No need for caps lock, it makes you look foolish. In anycase single hit spells like Fireball will cause mobs to run IF it hits more then one at them at a time. It doesn't cause a single person to run.

Nov 17, 2005, 02:44 PM // 14:44	#11
Pevil Lihatuh Jungle Guide Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Yorkshire, UK Profession: R/Me	lol yeah you dont have to worry about barrage recharging. by the time you've used it, its always recharged again (unless some pve monster gets in a lucky interupt that makes it take x seconds to recharge).